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Goals?716:50, October 11, 2015
Practicing the Admin Scale121:31, August 30, 2015
Using this Forum120:48, August 30, 2015
Tilde's013:11, July 20, 2013

Should the Goals be the ones LRH wrote or ones the "Field" wants to set now, in this unit of time?

Dl8800800:12, July 11, 2013

Are we attempting to reconstruct LRH's admin scale? or are we constructing an admin scale for the specific need of the field? I similarity not necessarily identity with LRH. We aren't the founder of Scientology, We are doing the admin scale to align and get greater cooperation in the field, not to impose our scale on every Scientologist. I see the process of creation more critical than the end result, for the processes and usefulness is what is missing in the experiential tracks of many Scientologist. Broadening viewpoints and establishing points of agreement will need out weight the narrowing viewpoint and accentuating differences, if this endeavor will succeed. It is more of 3rd dynamic process than a 3D product. It should establish a beingness of cooperation and ARC instead of division and outARC. That is my opinion. Loren Spethman 12:14, 12 July 2013 (MDT)

Loren Spethman18:14, July 12, 2013

It would seem the same question should be discussed for Purposes and Policy.

Dl8800823:24, July 12, 2013


It is for the 3rd Dynamic of the field as a whole for all groups, politics and bias aside. It is to bring agreement among members of the Dynamic they are a part of, aware of it or not. Some realize they are members, some have no idea as of yet. If we do this right, they unreservedly will. Though, some may never know depending on their awareness of their conditions on a personal level. That is for them to decide and become aware, or not, ethics is a personal thing per the references applicable and will be covered also in the admin scale. Gone are the days of using Ethics technology as weapon or blackmail. No one HAS to take part, but they would be happier if they did, in my opinion.

It is an ongoing process, that is why it is called Third Dynamic deabberation and is a repetitive process, that is why it is worked up and down for maximum agreement. :) It is a work in progress and there is no set time limit. More people are becoming a part of the group daily and are interested as they know the potential of a properly done admin scale.

Burkejon21:26, July 22, 2013

goals can stay the same in my opinion.

What we need is a strategy how to expand. For this purpose we need an admin scale too.

Groove22:17, December 17, 2014

Admins scales are for use, and can be written up for any activity.

You could start a business--goal is to create a viable cat cemetery. Purposes: 1. To have a place to place cat bodies after they die 2. To help people obtain "closure" regarding their pets. Policy-- To give empathetic service. Plans: 1) To purchase a space large enough to hold the cat bodies. 2) To design cat coffins and get them built 3) To advertise the existence of this service Etc. Etc.

You just follow the steps and work them back and forth until you are satisfied with it. Make sure you have the key words right, particularly is it singular or plural form. See admin is goals, purposes, policy. Not policies. Policy is the key approach to the handling of your organization...any organization has plenty of policies or rule, but you want the stable datum from which all other things in your group flow. Teddy Roosevelt's policy was "speak softly and carry a big stick". That might work for Teddy but it won't work for a cat cemetery.

In Elma WA our policy is to "always deliver what is promised."

Now of course in order to do that we might have to apply hundreds of policies...

Your purposes and ideal scene should be similar.

Here is a copy of the Admin Scale from "Modern Management Technology Defined" (Admin Dict.)

Goals, Purposes, Policy, Plans, Projects, Orders, Ideals Scenes, Stats, and Valuable final Products.

Thetagal (talk)08:42, August 29, 2015

The Admin Scale was meant to be applied to anything from the smallest post to your personal life to "all" of clearing the planet.

That is why I suggest trying to make one on a simple goal "to build a tree house" just for practice. And, of course, read the Policies on how to do it, it helps with ideas.

Without an admin scale one goes no where.

I had one for FZelma, I just reviewed it and find it needs LOTs of tweeking. But it did help me get started here.

This is the first part of it, that still stands:

Goals To have hundreds of small groups around the planet delivering Scientology Purposes To KSW Policy Deliver excellent service (changed to "always deliver what is promised) Plans 1) Establish a base in Elma from which to operate 2) Train students well 3) Deliver auditing 4) Promote the idea of above mentioned goal rather than promoting “all under a single umbrella” as is done in the COS

Now I would know to add under purposes, to free beings. I didn't know as much 15 years ago as I do now.

Hope this helps with understanding.


Thetagal (talk)20:41, August 30, 2015

Thank you for taking the time to go into more detail Pat. :)

~ Jonathan

Burkejon (talk)16:50, October 11, 2015

Practicing the Admin Scale

Hi. I suggest after reading the steps of the admin scale Goals, Purposes, Policy, Plans, Projects, Orders, Ideal Scenes, Stats and Valuable Final Products that you practice with the goal "to build a tree house." Post your Admin Scale here.

Thetagal (talk)09:40, August 29, 2015

Ok, no one has posted an Admin Scale. It is a great way to drill. Here is one I did, not perfect, I can't conceive of a stat for such a goal, maybe you can. But this might give you an idea, and I'm sure you can improve on it:

Goals: To build a tree house

Purposes: To provide a safe place for children to play

                To provide a place for the cats in the rain

Policy: Safety first

Plans: 1) Download a good blueprint from the Internet that is doable in our yard with our tree

2) Provide food for the workers

Programs Organizing activity 1) List all the lumber, nails, staples, tools, roofing that is needed and get it purchased

2) Find some friends to help build the structure.

3) Chose a time and place

4) Build the tree house

Program 2) Providing food for the workers

1) Name a cook 2) Name a cooks’ helper 3) Coordinate working times with eating times 4) Cook to determine what food and beverage to serve 5) Helper to purchase any needed grocery items

Projects: 1) Carry out each step of the program #1

Projects: 2) carrying out each step of Program #2

Orders: 1) Follow the blueprint when building the tree house. All wood cut to specs. 2) Return all tools after use

Orders: #2)

1) Cook to find out if anyone has allergies or can’t eat or doesn’t like a certain kind of food

Ideal Scene: Smooth coordination of activity resulting in a well-built tree house where children can play and cats can stay dry. Stats: 1) ???

Stats: 2) ???

Valuable final product: One functioning tree house that doesn’t leak.

Thetagal (talk)21:31, August 30, 2015

Using this Forum

Each point of the Admin Scale can have its own thread or even more than one. People can then comment on the main topic or reply to someone else' post, just like any other forum. So this built-in discussion feature is more robust than the "Comments" section on the main page.

Dl8800822:34, July 8, 2013

Thank you for the offer of software. I rather like the old fashioned pen and paper way.:)

You might consider writing up your Admin Scale for Scientolipedia. I'd love to see your goals and purposes. You have mentioned them in the past, but not as an Admin Scale itself.

Love, Pat

Thetagal (talk)20:48, August 30, 2015

Tilde's "~" are used to sign your name on the main page. (not needed here on this discussion page because your username is automatically inserted whenever you post)

Putting three tilde's "~~~" at the end of a line will post your username. (four of them will add the date & time as well)

e.g Dl88008


Dl88008 07:09, 20 July 2013 (MDT)

Dl8800813:09, July 20, 2013