Talk:Clearbird

I suggest this latest change is inaccurate, as the material in Clear Bird represents a very good and non-copyright description of the materials of Scientology. I suggest it be removed. At least get an impartial tech person to look it over before leaving it there.

Abbreviation for technology. The methods of application of an art or science as opposed to mere knowledge of the science or art itself. (HCOB 13 Sep 65)

My attention has been drawn to the fact that the Clearbird.org page states on the front "New in 2012: The GPM processing that Ron never finished..." which would be an offshoot. I believe that's the only "offshoot". Probably we need a definition of offshoot.

Goals-Problem-Mass. 4. the problem created by two or more opposing ideas which being opposed, balanced, and unresolved, make a mass. It’s a mental energy mass. (SH Spec 83, 6612C06...More

I agree - this designation of "Offshoot" for the Clearbird materials is not warranted.

I've used some of the pages with PC's to give them a simpler way of understanding some concepts.

I think Clearbird is an admirable effort to make the basics of Scientology more accessible to people who don't have access to a proper course room and course supervision. (a major problem outside the church)

I'm going to remove the "Offshoot" designation but am open to continuing this discussion to see if there's some other aspect to all of this I may be missing.

1. a person who, through Scientology processing, is finding out more about himself and life. (The Phoenix Lectures, p. 20) 2. a spiritual being who is now on the road to becoming Clear, hence preclear. (HCOB 5 Apr 69) 3. one who is discovering things about himself and who is becoming clearer. (HCO PL 21 Aug 63)

a problem is postulate-counter-postulate, terminal-counter-terminal, force-counter-force. It’s one thing versus another thing. You’ve got two forces or two ideas which are interlocked of comparable magnitude and the thing stops right there. All right, now with these two things one stuck against the other you get a sort of a timelessness, it floats in time. (SH Spec 82, 6111C21) 2 . a problem is a postulate-counter-postulate resulting in indecision. That is the first manifestation of problems, and the first consequence of a problem is indecision. (SH Spec 27, 6107C11) 3 . a multiple confusion. (SH Spec 26X, 6107C03) 4 . an intention counter-intention that worries the preclear. (HCOB 23 Feb 61) 5 . a problem is the conflict arising from two opposing intentions. A present time problem is one that exists in present time, in a real universe. (HCOB 3 Jul 59) 6 . something which is persisting, the as-is-ness of which cannot be attained easily. (PRO 16, 5408CM20)

Fine. I note that the following paragraph was also removed and am checking to see if it is still accurate and will replace it if I find it to be so. "Clearbird is recognized by the Association of Professional Independent Scientologists (APIS) [1] for giving a technically correct rendition of Standard Technology."

Have just checked with Rolf. The statement is accurate.

I pointed out to Ant but couldn't post here for some reason ... Clearbird materials feature "The GPM processing that Ron never finished..." How can that not be an Offshoot? Also, don't ask Rolf. Go to the APIS site and look for yourself. If ever there was a recognition, that has been removed.

A position from which a terminal operates in an org, where one knows that somebody is at. (FO 2200)

Goals-Problem-Mass. 4. the problem created by two or more opposing ideas which being opposed, balanced, and unresolved, make a mass. It’s a mental energy mass. (SH Spec 83, 6612C06...More

Mike from APIS confirmed the findings from the APIS website. APIS does not endorse the Clearbird materials. Now if we could please kindly discuss why promoting to deliver "the GPM processing that Ron never finished" does not qualify as an offshoot. I claim it does qualify for the label of offshoot.

That basic outness found which will lead to a recovery of stats. (HCO PL 13 Oct 70 II)

Goals-Problem-Mass. 4. the problem created by two or more opposing ideas which being opposed, balanced, and unresolved, make a mass. It’s a mental energy mass. (SH Spec 83, 6612C06...More